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I am in the process of playing R.E.M. songs with a group of friends, and I want to play them the way Peter Buck did. I think the process of figuring out how and what he did is fascinating, and my idea was to start a blog to not only document this process, but to try to engage in a sort of dialog with others that might have the same interest–because even when you think you have been playing something correctly for 30 years, you find out that it was actually played a different way. And it is helpful to exchange information with others to that end. So this is a blog and a topic that is for that very limited audience!
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Now here are some things I have learned searching around the Internet about Peter Buck that you might find interesting if you are into Peter Buck, his guitars, gear, and how he played:
Peter Buck | Equipment
Contents:
- Juice Goose Rackpower 300. Details: Rickresource Forums
- Two Ibanez UE400 units (not sure why two)
- Furman Rack Mount Power Conditioner
- Dual Avalon U5 high-voltage DI-preamps
Settings on UE400:
“Picking, Pickups, and Strings:
Peter notoriously uses 13 gauge Dean Markley strings on his guitars, with the action a little high. Does this affect his sound? Oh yeah. That’s not even the kicker, though. Live, Peter uses both pickups on his Rickenbacker. . . . In the early days, Peter did not know how to alternate pick, so his arpeggios were entirely down or upstroked, depending on which direction he was going with his hand. It was like a “sweep.” He adopted the more traditional style later on.”
http://nostalgiamusicreviews.blogspot.com/2013/08/5-things-you-have-to-do-to-sound-like.html
“They’re red Dunlop nylon .73 mm – I know he’s used yellow ones as well, as a friend got some in the 80s. What thickness these yellows are I don’t know. I don’t even know if Peter uses the .73 mm all the time, or just on acoustic, or whatever. I only use them when people say: oh, want to be like Peter Buck, eh?
Funny thing is I already arrived at .73s myself without knowing he used them – they’re not too thick, not too thin.”
http://www.rickresource.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=379285&start=15
Strings
Dean Markley strings (custom set):
..013 Plain- Swedish Steel
..017 Plain- Swedish Steel
..026 Wound- Nickel Steel
..036 Wound- Nickel Steel
..046 Wound- Nickel Steel
..056 Wound- Nickel Steel
Note: The above string info was actually listed by someone at Rickenbacker who was setting up Buck’s guitar
http://www.uberproaudio.com/who-plays-what/205-rem-peter-bucks-guitar-gear-rig-and-equipment
There was a question awhile back about what type and gauge strings Peter Buck uses on his Rickenbacker 360 Jetglo. This response was posted to the alt.guitar.rickenbacker Newsgroup in April 1999. It’s a rather heavy set consisting of:
1st – .013 Plain- Swedish Steel
2nd – .017 Plain- Swedish Steel
3rd – .026 Wound- Nickel Steel
4th – .036 Wound- Nickel Steel
5th – .046 Wound- Nickel Steel
6th – .056 Wound- Nickel Steel
These are Dean Markley individual strings. His guitar was at the factory so that he could have a new instrument set up exactly like his old one, using the string set listed above.
http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/Buck.html
http://www.rickbeat.com/gallery/peterbuck/peterbuck.htm
Peter Buck plays a custom black Telecaster: a Rickenbacker 330 hollow-body “for rhythm and more rock ‘n’ roll loud stuff; and a Fender Telecaster thin-line with an t-hole. He also has a Guild electric-acoustic, and a Rickenbacker 360 twelve-string. The studio amp is a Fender Twin Reverb; onstage Buck uses a Simul-Class Mesa Boogie with a Sa/Boo 4×12” speaker cabinet. He likes heavy-gauge Dean Markley strings, “.013 at the high end, .058 at the low end. The thicker the strings are, the more resonant tone you get, like an acoustic guitar. I put new tuning heads on; I use Gotoh, and Schallers are pretty good.” He doesn’t use his Ibanez 4001E effects unit that much. There’s fuzz on “Feeling Gravitys Pull”; a chorus effect “I have on every once in a while to get that little ringy sound, and a compressor I use only if I want to get feedback or noise.” His acoustic guitars are “cheapo Yamaha imitations.”
History Of R.E.M., “Fables Of The Reconstruction”, By Scoft Isler, Musician Magazine, Photography by Steve Marsel, July 17, 1985
Peter Buck has only two main guitars, a Rickenbacker 330 and 301 [is this supposed to be a 360?] both dated 1981, that he puts through a Fender Twin Reverb amplifier with two JBL speakers. He also uses a 12-string ’81 Rickenbacker in the studio and has a 1981 Gretsch Chef Atkins Tennessean at his disposal. Besides the Twin Reverb, Buck has a Marshall amp that he sometimes borrows from his producer Mitch Easter to make a more heavy metal racket. As for effects, he has only one- an lbanez VE400 [sic–should be a UE400] pedal that he uses live though he isn’t too sure what it actually does.
R.E.M. Hits It Big With “Murmur”, 07.12.84, Musician Magazine
Yeah. I was playing a Telecaster in 1980; it got stolen out of my house. And there was a little music store in town called Chick Piano; they had a blond Rickenbacker 360 with flat-wound strings. That was my main guitar until 1981, when it got stolen.
I went to a shop in Hartford, Conn. and asked if they had Rickenbackers. They pulled this black 360 out; I played it, and it was in tune. That’s the one that’s been on every R.E.M. record except the first single, and I bring it to pretty much every session I do.
It’s still the guitar I go to every day. It has real clarity of tone. It’s sitting in a stand at the foot of my bed. I like playing guitar in my pajamas. I’ve got three other guitars in my bedroom: a ’43 Gibson; a 1960 Rickenbacker that I got from Reverb; a Goldtop. They kind of rotate to the bedroom, and if I’m really working, I’ll go down in the basement to avoid everyone.
Reverb Interview: Peter Buck of R.E.M., Jan 20, 2016 by Jim Tuerk
Online Athens – REM Rehearsal Hall Tour
The Pedals are:
- Planet Waves CT-04 tuner (top left, barely visible)
- Fulltone Fat Boost
- Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
- Ibanez UE400 Foot Controller
- Maxon AD-999 Analog Delay
- Keeley Katana Boost
- Proco Rat 2
- JuiceBox Power Supply (under the Fulltone Fat Boost)
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Hi-
Just found your YouTube page and blog. Excellent stuff! I’ve got a copy of that 12/5/85 Mosque show you mentioned wanting. I’m seeing I’ve rated my copy as a B, so it’s pretty much bootleg quality. But instead of posting mp3s, I’m happy to burn it on CDr for you. Just direct email me with your address…
Thank!
Chris
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That sounds great, Chris! Trying to figure out how to contact you now! Thanks!
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You can email me at deadletterofficers@gmail.com–I can contact you from there. Thanks!
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Hey Dead Letter like what you are doing here. Did not realize the links existed so lots of new information.
I will comment more as I look over the site.
Thanks
–Pat Brown
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I am always updating stuff as I read/discover more. This is becoming a repository for information I find as I delve into the world of Peter Buck and early R.E.M. Hope you enjoy!
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I absolutely love early R.E.M.–please keep this going
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Always hard to find the time, but I plan on posting and recording more soon!!
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I thought..just maybe..I wasn’t the only person..who loved Peter Buck’s playing style..and wanted to know as much as I can about his guitars, set up, playing style..etc..THANKS for a wonderful blog
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Glad you like it! I know there are a few people out there who have an interest, and I thought it was a good idea to collate and preserve as much of it as possible.
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Just stumbled upon this… are you by any chance David from Dead Letter Office, the R.E.M. cover band?
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Yep!!
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That’s so sick! I just discovered you guys via Comedy Bang Bang, and going back though all this stuff it’s crazy that you started with trying to nail Peter Buck’s sound, and did it so well you got to play with him onstage. You guys sound absolutely incredible every time I hear you play (I’ve looked up a few videos since the pod) so it’s safe to say you absolutely succeeded in your goal!
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I think you’re confusing the “Dead Letter Office” tribute band from Rochester with our R.E.M. cover band in Richmond, Virginia. We are much more regional to the south and did not get to play with Mike Mills or Peter Buck as our friends from Rochester did. But those guys are great. We usually play once or twice a month.
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Great blog. I stumbled across it while trying to deconstruct Hyena. You have really done your homework on Mr. Buck. Keep up the good work!
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Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, Kevin. I’m trying to add everything I learn about Peter Buck to this blog. May have to add pages after awhile. Hyena is one of those songs I need to do. My friend Fast Ocular on YouTube has done an excellent job with it. It is not one of the songs I had ever learned. There is a great YouTube video that helps us see how PB played it—Passaic, 6/9/84. There are some other good versions of it as well. Passaic shows just about every part. I will have to focus on it soon. I’ve been busy rehearsing with our REM cover band, so I have not learned any new songs in awhile.
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Hello David, what a great blog!
I’ve been trying on and off for years to get many of the songs right (actually almost all of them) and you put more work into it than I’d been willing. I feel like there’s some stuff missing in some of the videos, like the picking patterns in Maps and Legends so when I have the time I will try to figure it out more precisely to add something of value to this treasure trove.
I also think that Mr. Buck puts much focus on the sound or maybe, strength of the tone, it’s never too thin or too disjointed between the chords and I think us cover-ists often miss that.
I tried a Rickenbacker 360 but it was completely out of tune and played like crap, it only sounded good with AC15, not AC30 which is funny, I thought he’s always used AC30 but here I don’t see it listed!
Anyway, keep it up please, I have no idea how to figure out what Bucks fat fingers are doing on most of the songs! 🙂
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Thanks for the comment. I need to find some time to record more videos and add more blog posts. I hear you on Maps and Legends. His picking pattern is very difficult. I have to practice and practice and still cannot do the “sweep” type picking he does–I usually give up and go back to alternate picking. It’s too ingrained for me.
Buck had an AC30, but that is not what he used in the beginning. He used the Fender Twin and a Silvertone. I have always had a Fender Twin simply because Buck and a lot of the bands I admired in the early 80s (when I bought it) used them. But his Fender Twin seemed to disappear just before Fables Came out (maybe earlier–it’s not a great amp to play in smaller venues–it is really loud). He was using a Mesa Boogie in concert during Reckoning. The AC30 must’ve come later. As far as recording, it was probably whatever amp they had around the studio. He once said he could get his sound out of any amp and any guitar. I think this is probably partly true. He played almost the entire concert at Meredith College on a Fender Telecaster, which was the guitar he started REM with.
If you’ve read some of my blog posts, you will see that I certainly have no idea what Peter Buck is doing! Thank goodness for YouTube and being able to see videos of Buck playing these songs. It is a great resource. Without it, I doubt I would have gotten this little endeavor or my cover band off the ground.
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AC30s were first seen on Monster tour I think 83/84 was Twins, 85 to 90 was Boogies- I think???
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He definitely had the Mesa Boogie on Fables. I think you can see it in the 1984 Passaic video as well.
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Hi, great site, thanks. I am more than slightly obsessed with Peter’s sound and playing. Lots of guitars to add here, but starting with 2, the black 330 used in 83, only seen in the UK on the Tube, and the Maple 340 used on Europe tour in 85. Your site seems to confuse 330s with 360s – the only 330 pictured here is the red one.
Other that need more info
black Tele custom 84
Les Paul for Monster tour
Red Danelectro 12 string (maybe a DC59/12)
Guild F412 12 string. etc etc
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Great info. I’m not sure where I am confusing guitars above, but I have to admit I’m no expert. The above was pulled from various sources which I have cited. I’m not interested in anything past the IRS years, so I have not focused on that music or the guitars or mandolins Peter Buck used to make it.
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Thank you very much for starting this blog. I really appreciate the work and all R.E.M. guitar fans owe you a debt for figuring out how to play 9-9. It’s one of my favorites from Murmur and I have always wanted to play along with it but could never figure it out. I look forward to when you have the time to post some songs. Thanks.
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I need to get on that! Been so busy with other things. I’ve recorded a bunch but made mistakes and didn’t have time to keep trying.
Always wanted to play 9-9, too. Thank goodness for YouTube!! I remember sitting in front of the stereo with my guitar as a kid just totally flummoxed listening to that song!
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do you know what Mesa Boogie combo Peter used in Europe 85?
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I do not–It would be cool to find out. I’ll have to look through the videos of those concerts.
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Hi 🙂 Guitar beginner here. Would you know what are the effects used in “Leave”? 🙂 Thanks!
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Thanks for finding the blog and commenting. I must admit I’ve never heard the song before your comment. I stopped listening to REM around 1989 or 1990 when I went to college and I felt the band had left their roots. The IRS years were my favorite years.
God knows what effects Peter Buck uses in the studio version. Listening and watching a live video, it seems like just distortion. I think he was using the Rat distortion pedal at the time, but what else he might have used is tough to discern. Probably the compressor from the Ibnez UE400.
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb4CEDpT3aY
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Whoa, thanks for the fast reply 🙂 Thanks, I’ll see what I can try!
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Just noticed in the live video, PB is using an Ebow.
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Hey David! Awesome effort with this site.. the IRS years got me into playing guitar, looking forward to perusing through your notes and recapping some of these great songs.
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Thanks for your comment! Hope you enjoy!
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Oh Man!! What happened??
I was loving your site. I learned so much. I didn’t even think to download your videos?
Is there any chance you’re going to repost your lessons on how to play REM songs?
They were so good. I’m ripped.
Thanks for the work you’ve done either way.
Tom
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Tom, as far as I know the blog is still up and my videos are still up on YouTube. If you’re having any issues, let me know. I hope to have more content up soon. And I am toying with the idea of using Facebook to better interact. HTanks.
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Thanks David, some of the videos aren’t working, but I think I thought they were your videos when they weren’t, because I can access your videos today.
Thanks again!
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Good stuff. Hope you’re doing well in this crazy crazy world, in these crazy crazy times.
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Do you happen to know:
(1) Who made Peter’s Vegas/Casino strap he’s had for years – and still uses?
(2) where to get one 🙂
(3) What year(s) are Peter’s AC30s?
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Do you happen to know:
(1) Who made Peter’s Vegas/Casino strap he’s had for years – and still uses?
(2) where to get one 🙂
(3) What year(s) are Peter’s AC30s?
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Hi David,
I just want to thank you again for all the work you’ve put into this and shared. I wanted to share the video I made of So. Central Rain based on learning it from your video… Thanks again! https://youtu.be/xFJPMYgX-9c
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Great site!
I found these on eBay and installed one on my ‘82 360:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Modern-Stars-Guitars-style-solid-brass-Guitar-Bridge-with-hardware-/185013400977?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
The guy does a great job machining them, and it’s as close as you can get to a Stars Guitars bridge like the one on Peter’s 360 and burgundy 330.
I used this Winfield Vintage TOM bridge plate and it works perfectly:
https://www.winfieldvintage.com/product-page/tune-o-matic-bridge-plate
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Hey David! Hope you folks are doing well. Great site — Peter Buck’s playing continues to fascinate me, decades after getting into R.E.M. (Sadly, some of my favorite fan sites from back in the day have disappeared but thankfully, a few of them made it into archive.org.)
If you’re interested in some PB speculation, I’ve added a little to that RickResource thread about the Reverb.com interview. Take care!
– Scott
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Been busy and just saw this! Just ordered – thanks a million!!
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You can see Peter Buck’s right hand clearly here: https://youtu.be/2fXdJ6syxLo?t=88
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Man, I love the footage from that show. How cool would it have been to have been there?
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Great gear ‘stalking’ – thanks! I was thinking of trying to approximate Peter’s sound for a recording; lots of really helpful info here – think I’ll give the 13 gauge strings and high action a miss though! Peter
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I was talking recently to my friend, Brian, who is an extremely talented guitarist, musician, and music teacher (he studied music theory in college & beyond) – he is also one of the guitarists for Skydog, an Allman Brothers tribute. Anyway, he is convinced that string gauge has little to do with tone – it is more amp settings, etc. So I would recommend not trying the 13s. My guitar with the luthier right now, and he is looking at what adjustments he can make (and putting on a Mastery Bridge). But we have agreed that if the action cannot be significantly improved, I will go to 11s or 12s. I normally play 11s on my other electric guitars. All the best!
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Great site!
I found these on eBay and installed one on my ‘82 360:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Modern-Stars-Guitars-style-solid-brass-Guitar-Bridge-with-hardware-/185013400977?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
The guy does a great job machining them, and it’s as close as you can get to a Stars Guitars bridge like the one on Peter’s 360 and burgundy 330.
I used this Winfield Vintage TOM bridge plate and it works perfectly:
https://www.winfieldvintage.com/product-page/tune-o-matic-bridge-plate
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This is awesome!!! First, I wish I had an 82 to install it on! But will be getting these asap – been waiting on Mastery Bridges for too long! They make them in batches. Thanks so much for posting!
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I had a Mastery, and I really prefer this one. It actually looks and sounds like the Buck one and is about ⅓ the cost of the Mastery
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I have ordered 3!! Thanks for the great tip!!
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I posted a couple of photos here:
http://www.rickresource.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4162&start=120
The brass also ages quickly, so the pale shininess doesn’t last too long.
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Nice! I like how it looks – can’t wait to hear how it sounds!
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Did you file slots for the strings or do they wear in naturally?
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Cool! I posted on the Ric Resource Forum, too. You file the slots for the strings or do they make a groove naturally?
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I did it with a luthier friend’s slotting files and a spacing gauge.
You’ll need to slot them.
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Sent you a PM through Ric Resource.
You could also contact the guy that is making the bridge and see if, instead of drilling the stud holes for the TOM, he would tap 4 holes for the hex head Ric bridge height screws. It looks like that’s how Buck’s bridges are. He was a really communicative seller, and he machines them himself. You may have to send him a bridge though.
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If you want to approximate the Peter Buck string set without having to spend a lot buying singles, you can get the Dean Markley Blue Steel Drop Tune Electric Guitar Strings, 13-56, 2557, Medium. The only difference is they are .013, .016, .026, .036, .046, .056, whereas Peter’s are .013, .017, .026, .036, .046, .056. According to at least one review I read, they have the wound 4th string and everything. Of course, they’re not a combo of swedish and nickle steel, but I couldn’t find either of those on amazon approaching these gauges (and didn’t see the swedish at all).
I don’t know if the gauge has any bearing on the tone (one would think it would) but that extra tension would certainly help with faster and tighter arpeggios. He’s hoping that wound 4th string will fit in my 360’s nut slot! 🙂
I don’t know if the gauge has any bearing on the tone (one would think it would) but that extra tension would certainly help with faster and tighter arpeggios. He’s hoping that wound 4th string will fit in my 360’s nut slot! 🙂
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I have been playing with these – a little bit different, and still not exactly what PB played. As to tone or sound, my friend and guitar guru says that you can pick up someone’s guitar (say Peter Buck) and play it through his equipment and still not get his tone. Force of striking the strings, pick angle, and a host of other factors are at play. I try to approximate his sound as best I can, but the 13s are tough to play – much better after being set up by a professional luthier.
I will say that the sound has gotten even closer with the new brass bridge I had installed.
I did not have any trouble with these strings fitting int he nut on the 360. Hope it works out well!
ECG26 Medium 13-17-26w-35-45-56
https://www.stringsandbeyond.com/daddario-electric-guitar-strings-ecg26-medium-13-56.html
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I just figured I’d stay with Dean Markley if I could (I use D’Addarios on EVERY one of my other guitars lol) cos “LOL PB uses them”. Even Joe Satriani said once that he picked up Brian May’s guitar, and played it through Brian May’s rig, and still couldn’t sound like Brian May. Fortunately, I think with Peter, it’s a lot easier to get close.
I normally do my own work on my guitars, but I was a little worried about whether the “D-Tune” drop d strings were somehow magically higher tension. So, I called a reputable and long standing guitar repair shop in my area, that I’d been to many times before (back when I was scared to work on my guitars lol), and asked them.
He told me that the headstock wasn’t going to fly off and hit me in the face, but that they weren’t designed for that much tension. He said what I should do is loosen the old strings, tighten each truss rod (with a 1/4 inch socket) until there’s a little bit of backbow, and THEN put the strings on. That way, instead of the truss rod having to fight the tension of the strings, you’re bowing it away from the strings and then letting them pull the neck straight. This way, if you want to introduce more relief, or bow toward the strings, you’re LOOSENING the truss rod and letting the tension of the strings do the work. That made perfect sense.
I did it and it has turned out great. The strings brought the neck straight again, with a little bit of relief, as is pretty normal for many folks. Now I just have to recheck the intonation. I also bought a bottle of PTFE lubricant to put a tiny dab on each of the nut slots to help prevent string binding.
We’ll see how it goes, but I honestly thing the 13s thing is less about tone and more about feel. I always felt the string tension on my 360 felt “squishy” so the 13s thing makes perfect sense to me. When you play arpeggios, you want the pick to drive through the string, not pull it down, and with higher tension strings, it’s easier to glide your pick along the top without having it dig in. That’s my thought, anyway.
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What I’ve read (including on the Rick Resource forum) is that the neck on the 360/6 is the same as on the 360/12, so the extra tension with the 13s would not be a problem because it is still less than a 12 string. I have a 360/12 and the necks do seem the same. I’ve started having my guitars professionally set up (making money by playing, so why not), and the 13s play amazing now!!
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It’s funny, because the thing about the 12-strings did dawn on me later, you’re exactly right! 🙂
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Is there somewhere I can buy a brass bridge premade for a 360? There’s a reason I do my own guitar work, besides hardheadedness! 😉 😉 😛 I don’t got a lot of ducats.
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Contact this guy: https://www.ebay.com/usr/mrmachinst1
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LOL I think you missed the long comment before that….still says awaiting moderation. 🙂
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Yep. I did. Sorry about that!
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